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![About using LLMs to help prove hard math problems (Navier-Stokes existence+uniqueness, P/=NP, etc....)
Reading this
https://t.co/tOvR1LbfZ6
about the use of AI by some DeepMind folks to help prove the Navier-Stokes existence and uniqueness theorem, motivates me to point out that a couple months ago I attempted to prove this theorem with help on details from a couple LLMs,
https://t.co/uPCZ9GRnz5
The idea for the proof was mine -- basically to use the mapping from HJB equation (which I have used a lot in recent AI work) to Navier-Stokes equation, so as to map existence/uniqueness results from HJB over to NS. But the details get quite involved and I was not finding time to work through them myself and LLMs were quite helpful.
That said, these are thorny matters and I can't say I'm 100% sure there is no gap... I had set this aside because working on AGI seemed higher priority. I thought about trying to make this into an end-to-end Lean solution but didn't have time to deal with it yet....
Around the same time I also leveraged some LLM help to fill in details for an idea I had about how to prove P/=NP using a variation on quantale weakness (a conceptual/math tool I developed as part of my AGI work, generalizing Michael Timothy Bennett's notion of weakness as an alternative to traditional Occam's Razor)
https://t.co/vKP3grPtbV
Again working toward AGI is time-consuming and I haven't had time to do a full formalization (though obviously LLMs help with that too..) and as with any monster proof like this there could be a gap I'm not seeing....
I have not been making noise about these efforts because I wanted to wait to fully formalize and check things, but now that there is noise from others about similar endeavors I figure ok whatever....
Part of my goal in playing w/ these tough math problems [my PhD was math though I rapidly diverged to AI] has been to think about how to effectively use our Hyperon proto-AGI system as a "controller" for LLMs in doing this sort of work. I.e. in this sort of work there is a role for a broad-thinking creative mind to come up with proof ideas, for an LLM to work details, and then for Lean or some other ITP framework to do fully formal checking. The role I am hoping Hyperon can play here is the "broad-thinking creative mind" .... But in these attempted proofs I've just posted, it's been me not Hyperon trying to play this role ;) .. About using LLMs to help prove hard math problems (Navier-Stokes existence+uniqueness, P/=NP, etc....)
Reading this
https://t.co/tOvR1LbfZ6
about the use of AI by some DeepMind folks to help prove the Navier-Stokes existence and uniqueness theorem, motivates me to point out that a couple months ago I attempted to prove this theorem with help on details from a couple LLMs,
https://t.co/uPCZ9GRnz5
The idea for the proof was mine -- basically to use the mapping from HJB equation (which I have used a lot in recent AI work) to Navier-Stokes equation, so as to map existence/uniqueness results from HJB over to NS. But the details get quite involved and I was not finding time to work through them myself and LLMs were quite helpful.
That said, these are thorny matters and I can't say I'm 100% sure there is no gap... I had set this aside because working on AGI seemed higher priority. I thought about trying to make this into an end-to-end Lean solution but didn't have time to deal with it yet....
Around the same time I also leveraged some LLM help to fill in details for an idea I had about how to prove P/=NP using a variation on quantale weakness (a conceptual/math tool I developed as part of my AGI work, generalizing Michael Timothy Bennett's notion of weakness as an alternative to traditional Occam's Razor)
https://t.co/vKP3grPtbV
Again working toward AGI is time-consuming and I haven't had time to do a full formalization (though obviously LLMs help with that too..) and as with any monster proof like this there could be a gap I'm not seeing....
I have not been making noise about these efforts because I wanted to wait to fully formalize and check things, but now that there is noise from others about similar endeavors I figure ok whatever....
Part of my goal in playing w/ these tough math problems [my PhD was math though I rapidly diverged to AI] has been to think about how to effectively use our Hyperon proto-AGI system as a "controller" for LLMs in doing this sort of work. I.e. in this sort of work there is a role for a broad-thinking creative mind to come up with proof ideas, for an LLM to work details, and then for Lean or some other ITP framework to do fully formal checking. The role I am hoping Hyperon can play here is the "broad-thinking creative mind" .... But in these attempted proofs I've just posted, it's been me not Hyperon trying to play this role ;) ..](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fprofile_images%2F1104599021660696576%2F4D5iBfAi_400x400.png&w=3840&q=75)
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